It is unbelievable that one piece of writing must be accomplished through the process of recursiveness--backward moving action.
After reading through the journal of Sondra Perl, I definitely agree with her because I really do the process of recursiveness in my writing unawarely. I reread what I have written, use some hinge word relating to the topic and making felt-sense behavior.
When I complete my writing, I only know that my work is done. I don't know that it is finished because I pass through the process of felt-sense behavior. I have just known that the activities of reducing complex of thought, writing understandable sentenses, creating relevant ideas and avoiding repetitive writing forms are doing "felt sense."
Program in Translation for Education and Business, School of Applied Arts, King Mongkut's University of Technology North Bangkok
Thursday, November 27, 2008
Understanding Composing
In my opinion, I think recursive is one of useful approach when writers stuck in an idea. We may get the idea for the next sentence after we reread the previous sentence and perhaps we may edit sentence to get the way to go on. Somtimes we may return to the topic and change it ot suitable for what we have written ,in the other hands, we may change what we have written. Recurring can occurs every phrases, sentences or paragraphs depends on writers. How about the word "felt sense"? I know that the word means "a kind of bodily awareness that encompasses everything you feel and know about a given subject at a given time" (p.101) I would like you to more describe about it in our class.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Understanding Composing

Sandra Perl said that writing is a recursive process (p.100). When I compose a writing, some parts appeared to be recursive, such as when I am stuck; I use the topic or a key word in it as a way to get going. Sometimes I felt sense appear to me, "When writers pause, whey they go back and repeat key words, what they seem to be doing is waiting, paying attention to what is still vague and unclear. They are looking to their felt experience, and waiting for an image, a word, or a phrase to emerge that captures the sense they embody." (p.101) That could best describe when I feel felt sense.
If the writers don't have a Projective Structuring, what would it be?
Saturday, November 22, 2008
gramar mistake
I think I have to disagree with your idea on not checking our gramar mistake in the paper. If you don't correct it then who's gonna do? We will think that our writing are correct. The mistakes will stay with us forever. It's a good idea to make us feel comfortable and worry free about gramar while writing but not showing us the correct English is not good. Correcting the wrongs and showing the rights is one of the best ways in learning English to me. It will be easy to stick in my head. Then I can tell right from wrong. Just like "Oh I have written like that before but Teacher told me it was not correct. I'll chang it." Well, If you want to make us worry free on gramar then you can say that you are not going to remark at the gramar mistake. It is more than enough. I guess students only care about the marks.
It is only my idea. You don't have to do it if you or the rest of the students in the class do not like it. I'm fine with anything.
It is only my idea. You don't have to do it if you or the rest of the students in the class do not like it. I'm fine with anything.
Thursday, November 20, 2008
Writer's Block
This lesson defines the different ideas of the blocked — strict to the writing rules and planning strategies whereas the non-blocked — apply the writing rules to the work but in flexible, openly and functionally ways. From the description, I am rather be in the blocked group.
This lesson also guides the blocked solving methods of Rules and Plans — heuristics and TOTE. I think I can follow the method of approaching the problems with flexible idea of writing (heuristics) and I agree with the idea of Robert M Gagne that the readers do confuse if the writing is finished without rules and rules can easily be learned directly or through experience (TOTE).
I appreciate the idea of the non-blocked that they dare to reject rules if they conflict with their work. Anyway, I cannot follow this idea because I believe the writing generates from a problem-solving process.
This lesson also guides the blocked solving methods of Rules and Plans — heuristics and TOTE. I think I can follow the method of approaching the problems with flexible idea of writing (heuristics) and I agree with the idea of Robert M Gagne that the readers do confuse if the writing is finished without rules and rules can easily be learned directly or through experience (TOTE).
I appreciate the idea of the non-blocked that they dare to reject rules if they conflict with their work. Anyway, I cannot follow this idea because I believe the writing generates from a problem-solving process.
writer's block
After i read all the text I can summarize as following
Rules are devided into 2 kinds: algorithms which is rules taht cause a particular answer such as mathematical questions, heuristics are more flexible than algorithms.
Plans are process that manage performance in order
Rose seperate his student in blocker and non-blocker
Blocker is writer who adhere with rules. they think if sentence is not grammatically correct, it is not useful or think an essay has to include with three main point.
Non-blocker is writer who think if some rules are not suitable for their work, they will reject it.
Now, I'm blocker in the essay "My writing vs My translation". I'm noe fix with rules but I have nothing in mind to write it out.
Rules are devided into 2 kinds: algorithms which is rules taht cause a particular answer such as mathematical questions, heuristics are more flexible than algorithms.
Plans are process that manage performance in order
Rose seperate his student in blocker and non-blocker
Blocker is writer who adhere with rules. they think if sentence is not grammatically correct, it is not useful or think an essay has to include with three main point.
Non-blocker is writer who think if some rules are not suitable for their work, they will reject it.
Now, I'm blocker in the essay "My writing vs My translation". I'm noe fix with rules but I have nothing in mind to write it out.
Rigid Rules, Inflexible Plans, and the Stifling of Language: A Cognitivist Analysis of Writer's Block
I understand what's rules and what's plans, but I don't understand all of the journal- it's kind of difficult. I don't understand "Algorithms Rather Than Heuristics." I do face a block suitation when I wrote the writing "My traslation VS my writing."
Writer's block
OK, I will do this one more time. If it still does not work, I'm going to beat someone to the death.
I think everyone has to face blocks. No matter where you are or what you do. If you are a guitar player, you ran out of idea then you meet the block. If you are a doctor, you can't find the medicine to treat the disease then you face the block.
I have read the text and I totally agree. I really like the part that say "If it is not good to my work, I won't use it." It might not be exctly like the text in the book but it should be the same meaning. I just can not remember what is in the book but it doesn't matter. I can aply this stratment to anything I do. If it is not suit my work I'll leave it alone.
How to deal with bolcks?
I have never faced block, big one untill I can not move on.
Normally, it usually a small ones.
The way I do is this:
I will have a plan but my plan has to be flexible so I can roll over them.
I will not pay attention much on rules. In the case of free writing, I never care about rules at all.
And if I really meet the block, I'll take a few steps away from it. I may leave it alone for a while. Then I get back and I may be able to get over it.
Does it make sense or no?
I think everyone has to face blocks. No matter where you are or what you do. If you are a guitar player, you ran out of idea then you meet the block. If you are a doctor, you can't find the medicine to treat the disease then you face the block.
I have read the text and I totally agree. I really like the part that say "If it is not good to my work, I won't use it." It might not be exctly like the text in the book but it should be the same meaning. I just can not remember what is in the book but it doesn't matter. I can aply this stratment to anything I do. If it is not suit my work I'll leave it alone.
How to deal with bolcks?
I have never faced block, big one untill I can not move on.
Normally, it usually a small ones.
The way I do is this:
I will have a plan but my plan has to be flexible so I can roll over them.
I will not pay attention much on rules. In the case of free writing, I never care about rules at all.
And if I really meet the block, I'll take a few steps away from it. I may leave it alone for a while. Then I get back and I may be able to get over it.
Does it make sense or no?
Wednesday, November 19, 2008
THE WRITER'S BLOCK

I wanna say “I don’t understand all of it”
Rose differentiates his students in 3 groups for test writer’s block. He gave us a way to solve the problem, I though. But the thing that I found is if we want to solve the problem of writer’s block, we will know how to do. We must use Rose’s tactic that I realize when I’ve read his theory. We must have our plan before we write so we must know the rules.
About rule we can distinguish two kinds of rule. Algorithms and heuristics.
Heuristics – we can solve the problem by use our thinking and has many ways in the process to solve the problem by ourselves.
Algorithms – it has an only one way to solve problem, like 1+1 must answer 2 because it has the rule.
And then we must have our plan before write. I thought we can run away of the writer’s block.
Thanx.
Thursday, November 13, 2008
The Journal : A Vehicle for Cognitive Develpment
I can summarize that Britton's research team have 3 funtions to develop the cognitive skills
1. Expressive - write for primarity for herself
2. Transactional - write for more gereral and public audience
3. Poetic - adopt somewhat of spectator role toward her own writing.
I impress the logic of expressive nonstop writing with Huff&Kline Theory because it's not focus on convention of standard usage and grammar. I can learn to improve my writing from false starts.
1. Expressive - write for primarity for herself
2. Transactional - write for more gereral and public audience
3. Poetic - adopt somewhat of spectator role toward her own writing.
I impress the logic of expressive nonstop writing with Huff&Kline Theory because it's not focus on convention of standard usage and grammar. I can learn to improve my writing from false starts.
What is writing and why do it?
First, I don't believe that English writing is easy but Horton's book gives many ideas about writing for brginning writers. I hope to improve my basic writing by step because I don't think about grammar rules so much.
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
FREE FREE FREE WRITING

About the analyze of Britton’s team, they conclude that there are three major functions of language: expressive, transactional and poetic. They differentiated of three functions and analyzed that the expressive function is a primary vehicle. I agreed with them because the expressive is come from the first thinking and another reason is they research the writing from the children, I think it’s pure. For the expressive that Britton’s team concluded is not made explicit, it’s common to immediately understand in each situation. The function of language (of Britton’s team) is going from step by step, in the first step is expression – anyone can do and express themselves by use their language, the second step is transactional – must use high skill more than expression, we must use more reasonable for writing. The last step is poetic – we use art to mix with the language and use many skills of the language that we have learned, so we use deep thinking more than first and second step.
For the expressive or free writing, it’s good to use for us, I mean every students who just start to learn writing like me. I like your way that give us to write by forget everything. Thanks again, that made me feel good when I write. This paragraph is the answer that I agreed with the theory of Huff & Kline.
Thanks.
For the expressive or free writing, it’s good to use for us, I mean every students who just start to learn writing like me. I like your way that give us to write by forget everything. Thanks again, that made me feel good when I write. This paragraph is the answer that I agreed with the theory of Huff & Kline.
Thanks.
The Journal: A Vehicle of Cognitive Development
Oh, yes. McLuhan is great. How he knows what I have to face with when start writing? You will also be one of the others to know that problem after finish reading my assignment R1.1.
After practice of free writing in your previous class, I agree to the theory put under The Journal that nonstop writing helps thoughts and ideas flow if the coherence and the correctness is not focused. However, I'm not quite sure that it can help me tap information and organize them into categories and subcatagories. I hope there are further theories provided that can help my ideas well organized.
Additionally, I doubt that if one story can be successfully composed from my own idea plus others, it can be said that my cognition is developped?
After practice of free writing in your previous class, I agree to the theory put under The Journal that nonstop writing helps thoughts and ideas flow if the coherence and the correctness is not focused. However, I'm not quite sure that it can help me tap information and organize them into categories and subcatagories. I hope there are further theories provided that can help my ideas well organized.
Additionally, I doubt that if one story can be successfully composed from my own idea plus others, it can be said that my cognition is developped?
The Journal : A vehicle for Cognitive Development
I must confess that I'm a little bit confuse. It would be pleased if you can describe it in class again. After reading the text, it can be concluded that the functions of language were derived from the relationship between the writer and the audience. The three major functions of language are as follow :
1. Expressive : The writer is writing primilary for himself
2. Transactional : The writer is writing more general and public
3. Poetic : The writer is writing with its internal patterns (word-play, parallelism)
I love the idea of "nonstop writing" I can write it as much as I like; no worry about grammar, punctuation, or spelling.
P.S. Please do me a favour. Can you please explain how to use a punctuation again ?
Thank you,
Tik
I agree with Huff & Kline because it is basic writing skills. Expressive nonstop or free writing is one of the practices to develop writing. We can write by don’t have grammar, punctuation, and spelling. We write with the idea. Expressive language is common understanding and revealing a writer. Nonstop writing has technical to make a wide variety of writing which is a vehicle to development. We have a stimulus to to make idea for writing such as songs, newspapers, lyrics, etc.
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