Khun Yee's Post

This article is too hard understnding (vocab and context). I'm not sure that I'm right (think). I think that "bessie, the cow" (Hayakawa, p99) is "a process of change" (p.99).

Hayakawa described all thing on the earth to change (natural) and I think this is an example for writing. He gaves the example for comparision with abstract.

"Absrtaction Ladder" (p.101) is process level to adjust thinking from tangible to intangible. It have 8 steps for description each step.I read this topic but I'm not sure that I'm right.

I sorry that I don't understand but It's very hard.

I have questions: what's bessie, the cow?

thanks.

How We Know : What We Know :

This artical is interesting.
I thinks that abstraction ladder is the main point of this artical.
A meaning of a word is abstraction; the word has different meaning and level.

Futhermore, the abstraction is important factor of a writer and reader. If the reader cannot understand the abstract as well as the writer; the reader cannot understand the writing that the writer want to communicate.

For my opinion, I think that the experence is the fator helping to adjust the gap of abstraction between a sender and reciever. The experience resulted from a life, education, surrounding and a lot.

Best Regards
Banna Wanishayanun

writer-based prose

Dear all,

Linda Flower described the writer-based prose as a process for writers writing for themselves. The writers write stories from their nature and own thoughts without thinking of whether readers want to read their stories or not. They can write and express their ideas in what they really want. They use their own function, structure and style in their writing. As far as I understand this kind of process is only suitable for expressive writing, not transactional writing, and is always used to teach students in writing courses. The process is important to help writers express their ideas about a subject.

Flower also compared the writer-based prose with the reader-based prose. The writer described that the reader-based prose is a process to communicate something to a reader. For this writing style, a writer gives immense importance to a reader. He or she will use a shared language and shared context between writers and readers so that readers will understand the stories clearly. In my opinion, I understand that the reader-based prose is much more difficult than the writer –based prose as each writer must know ways how to transform complex ideas and difficult words into simple ones to make readers understand easier. Beside writers must have ability to narrate the stories as well.

Thanks/Anucha

Writer-Based Prose

Dear all,

This article talks about writing style as based prose. The one is “writer-based prose”, the auther, Linda Flower (1979), explain that “[it] is a verbal expression written by a writer to himself and for himself …” I realize that it like expressive writing because I often used this writing as my essay or my work. I sometimes think this writing makes reader don’t understand my essay. In other words, this writing fails to communicate to the reader because I write for myself.

On the contrary, the other is “reader-based prose”, the auther inform that “[it] is deliberate attempt to communicate something to a reader. [It] creates a shared language and shared between writer and reader.” (p.62) I realize “reader-based prose” could help the reader to clear understand.

Moreover, she talks about inner speech, egocentrism and semantic memory. She offers a case study of a transformation. She informs that “[a]s the case study shows, the concept of trying to transform Writer-based prose for a reader is by itself a powerful tool. It helps writers identify the lineaments of a problem many can start to solve once they recognize it as a definable problem.” (p.69)

As for function, structure and style of writer-based prose, the auther hold the theory and viewpoints according to Piaget and Vygotsky.

Finally, I agree with the sentence that “[a]lthough Writer-based prose often fails for readers and tends to preclude further concept formation[;] it may be a useful road into the creative process for some writers.”

Thanks
Best regards,
Jib

Writer-Based Prose

The point of writer-based prose is process reflecting idea of a writer, while reader-based prose is a attempt to communication to a reader.

For my opinion, the both theory is important idea for writing. If we can melt theories to the one; It will be useful. When I write eassay, the first step I think that what the words or meaning that I want to express. The reader is not the main factor that I take to consideration. Sometime the reader can not understand my essay, becuase my expression is the result of my own understanding. That is a wrong way, becuase the good writting that the reader can understand the expression as well as the writer. Reader-Based prose is the theory that help me to develop my writing. I think that the expression is as important as trying to communicate ideas to the the reader.

Thanks
Banna Wanishayanun

Writer-Based Prose

I think this article is so deep in detail; I mean I didnt think that in writing study, we should learn about something that is so detailed as writer-based prose.

Writer-based prose is compared with a child narrative. Children communicate with inner speech and egocentrism which is not selfishness. Writer-based prose is like a first draft of every writing, especially the first draft of expressive writing, which the writers communicate with themself. On the other hand, Reader-Based prose is a deliberate attempt to communicate something with a reader.

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Writer-Based Prose

This paper is good because it makes me knows the difference between writer and reader based prose. Sometimes, I don't know that I write same writer-based prose because it is natural.

Writer-based prose is writing without focus point and writer don't organize idea. It makes reader don't understand writer's work. I think it calls that expressive writing. I agree with a sentence is "writer-based prose is natural and adequate for a writer writing to himself or herself" (p.62 ) because when I write essays, I try to tell myself that I have to write work for everybody read but I lack to focus point or missing issue.

Reader-based prose is writing to hold reader and create understanding about writer's work. It makes writing is clear. It calls that transactional writing.

This paper talk about inner speech and egocentrism. I think it is an obstacle or problem because it makes writing is difficult. I think a good writing is understanding of others or reader when read work and clearing of the iceberg.

Dear my friends.

My thinking about the quantitative reseach is it's reseach that have the data. There are search for many information. The main is propuse amount of detail.

The different of quantitative reseach and qualitative reseach is the qualitative reseach, the main is propuse to seach the quality reseach but the quantitative reseach is intend about amout of data.

Quantitative Research

Quantitative Research

The different between quantitative research and qualitative research are how to collect information and the research result. Quanlittive research is collect information by use questionair or short interview with many people. The research result is statistic that concluded from questionair by SPSS program.

I think, the most researcher do quantitative research because it is easy to collect data from the cross section by questionair. From my experience that I have ever do the reseach, it hard to make clear questionair for collect data. The result is useful or not upto the questionair, if the questionair is not clear the result may be not true.

So, it hard to do one research whichever quantitative or qualitative research.

C'sion and C'rence

Dear...Super Dr.Karn, P Mum, Khun Abdul, Yee, Pieaw, Tom, Nid, Nui, M, Jib, Eiang,Mr. Ben and Chote monkhood

I swear that there is the most difficult paper have ever read.
I tried as hard as I did. I, however, confuse in difference between cohesion and coherence. Except P Mum, who could understand only,
others who told that could understand that I disagree because perhaps
they don't deeply get idea. I caught the main idea in my understanding
in cohesion focusing on topics. The words "At the beginning of every
sentence, locate your reader in familiar territory; at the beginning
of a series of sentences, create for your reader a reasonably consistent
point of view, a consistent topic string."(p.53) the most important
sentence.In additionally, I have no idea about coherence I&II.
I am waiting for the lecturer explaination in class.

Moreover, benefit of the cohesion is helpful in given subjects and topics.
Because of the method is divided in two types: fixed & variable.
Anyway, I still a little bid as "hot fuzz"

QTR

Quantitative research is a method of who want to summarize in amount
and number. It's maybe used statistic to conclude result.
Thus, I never have been done it before and I don't have it in my hand now.
In addition, It is very difficult to find it. However, I will try as hard as I can before Friday. Please forgive me, I really hang out in mood.
I read others opinions about QTR. There isn't made any different.
I agreed with all. Oh! I forget that I already have had one now.
I'll read it now!........(3 hours later)..........Hummn! I,now, understand
that it is same as QLTR but different in formulation. Both have to
analyzed before express in conclusion. Anyway, just read only shouldn't
be useful. After finish making 4.1, there will be blood-as I under stood.
Please wait to read!

Cohesion and Coherence

Dear all,

As for this article, I realize everything that the author informs, it is very useful for writing. The auther talk about the importance of cohesion and coherence, that something I never know before. I like these.

The auther can exemplify the sentences by clear comparison. For example, between the passive sentence and active sentence, he explains both sentences it differently emphasizes.

Moreover, the auther guide about managing subjects and topics for flow (p.54). He talks about how to write for an audience able to understand and two principle (p.56).I like these suggestions.
The authors give an advice that “Organize your sentences so that you open them with old information in the topic position, usually with a character as a subject. Then follow the subject with a verb that expresses a crucial action. Move complex information to the end of your sentence (p.65).”

As for coherence, the authors indicate that “coherence is abstract (p.81).” Furthermore, they offer some principles that will help the writer diagnose such kind of writing and they suggest how we can revise it.

I apologize for late comment.

Thanks
Best regards,
Jib

Quantitative Research

Dear all,

In my opinion, quantitative research is the study about the data like qualitative research but the result of qualitative research is the data that was proved by the researcher's hypothesis. And then, the result of quantitative research always has the number that was proved by the process of statistics such as estimation, random variable, observation, experiment etc..

I have ever learned about the process of statistics since I studied in Bachelor's Degree. It always uses with SPSS program which calculates the result become the number or the percentages.

However, I am not sure about the real meaning of the quantitative research but I try to learn about this method in order to help me understanding with the research.

Regards,
Sudarath

Quantitative Research

For me, it is obviously that quantitative research is the research which its result is number. The result may be from other people by interview, questionair, etc. It sounds like a poll, doesn't it?

In fact, I am not sure what quantitative reserach really is because sometimes I see the reseach which its result is number is not called as quantitative research.

Finally, I have some questions why do translation students have to do a research? I have my own answer and I would love to know yours too. Also I would love to know what differences between making quantitative research and poll in case they are different?

Thank you
Take care

Quantitative research

I think a quantitative research is a research to summarize a result with number. Using is a statistics for measurement. The result is a data about number because the number is fixed.

I think most research is the quantitative research because summary use statistics and it's easier than a qualitative research.

The difference between the quantitative and the qualitative research is measurement form statistics of the quantitative research and only theory of the qualitative research. But both is important.